Wait vs Stay Using a BackStall with An Over-Aroused Dog | Pt 2

This is session 2 of Wait vs Stay via the Back Stall with Motown that took place a couple of minutes after session 1. In this session Motown is more calm and thoughtful and displays a bit more drive and much less arousal. We’ll be building on the stuff we covered in session 1 in this second of 4 sessions.

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Escaping the Oppression of Offered Behaviors

As positive dog trainers we really like the dog to offer behaviors. It’s a staple of positive dog training and a real asset to dog sports, disc dog in particular.

But the constant and incessant offering of behaviors quickly leads to the oppression of the handler. We often wind up at the mercy of an aroused dog and lose control over the dog and starting behaviors and turning behaviors on and off becomes very difficult.

A well structured training session with multiple related and intersecting behaviors is a great solution to this problem. This particular set up is terrific for ending the oppression of offered behaviors.

The Calm, Cool, and Collected Trainer

Notice my demeanor in this session. While Motown is going bonkers I’m calm, cool, and collected. My cookie delivery and movements are slow and methodical. My markers are matter of fact. My cues are soft questions. I’m not trying to make him do anything.

This steady even sedate state is key to reducing arousal. I could yell at him, give him some shit and some pressure, and make him behave, but that would leave the underlying classical condition intact and, with a softer dog, shut down the training session.

Intervening with pressure also makes drive management the handler’s responsibility. It’s not fun to be responsible for your dog’s drive and/or state of arousal. It’s also not reliably effective.

It is much more reliable to cultivate a sense of self-discipline and self control in a dog. Being a calm, cool, collected handler that directly counters a dog’s highly aroused state is a good way to cultivate self-discipline and self control in a dog.

Don’t Forget Tactile Reinforcement: the Power of Touch

In the middle of this session (1:55) I take Apryl’s advice and take a moment to touch Motown. This is tactile reinforcement. You can see that it was not a very emotive touch, and on the surface it might seem as if it didn’t mean much. But if you watch closely, you might see that moment as the turning point in his performance over these 4 sessions.

Tactile reinforcement, the Power of Touch, is a powerful tool. Even for dogs who “don’t want it” or “don’t like it” and especially for dogs that are over-aroused.

This mode of reinforcement might need to be conditioned a bit and is easily done by pairing food with petting in prompt switch fashion or by pairing petting with jackpots. (perhaps a post is necessary on this…)

When delivering tactile reinforcement for reduced arousal be sure to do so in a soft, slow, easy, and methodical manner. Aggressively scruffing the dog up or even a couple of fast, repetitive strokes will work against you.

Bad Shit Didn’t Happen

During this session Motown made a couple of dick moves. His leaping up for the Stall, unsolicited, was dangerous to him and actually caused me a bit of an injury. It’s cool, that bad shit didn’t happen.

This is a tough one sometimes and many trainers think this is lunacy, that’s cool, lots of people think lots of different things, and there are millions of ways to handle a dog.

The nice thing about Bad Shit Didn’t Happen is that the bad behavior doesn’t get marked and is completely un-memorable. This un-memorable aspect is very useful when dealing with phobia or mania. Phobia and mania are not very rational and having a good solid memory of a good solid correction during a manic or panicked state might not result in effective punishment. Those moments can easily unintentionally reinforce unwanted behavior.

That shit didn’t happen and cookies happen in the right position. You can actually see him decide to not make the bad shit happen in several places in the next 2 sessions if you watch closely.

If a Behavior Isn’t Happening It Requires Moar Cookies!

The 4 on the Floor behavior on the Pedestal, in the Stall, and on the Ground is completely oppressive. It is super annoying. The tendency is to get more stingy and to pull the cookies away more often.

Reducing the rate of reinforcement and removing the cookie only serves to make each cookie more valuable. Taking the cookies away and holding them close to the dog’s face increases arousal. This creates a tough situation that can seem like a no-win.

Flooding the market with cookies devalues them. If you can find a way to deliver more cookies (in a calm, thoughtful, cool, and collected way) the value of each cookie drops and that reinforces more thoughtful work and actually punishes the constant pawing, pushing, and pressure.

Good Triggers Anchor the Structure and Create Drive

The piece on the first session with Motown talked about structure and how this session’s structure works well for addressing arousal while teaching the Stall and Dog Catch and Wait vs Stay.

A big part of this structure is good solid triggers for each behavior. The trigger for the Stall on the pedestal and the Off from the pedestal is the hand and/or handler movement. The Trigger for the Stall or dog catch is the presentation of the obstacle to be stalled on or the arms to be caught and/or the handler’s movement.

The trigger for the Wait is a lack of action or freezing of the handlers movement.

These triggers become anchor points for the structure of the training session and serve to ground and center the dog while providing focus points and clear communication necessary to take arousal and turn it into Drive.

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Wait vs Stay Using a BackStall with An Over-Aroused Dog | Pt 1

This is the first of a 4 part session with Motown, an 18 month old MiniAussie. Motown is easily over-aroused while working for cookies. He is Apryl’s dog and she handles him fine. He is still over-aroused, but manageable for her if she stays on top of him. I am not a fan of “staying on top” of a dog. I try to cultivate a sense of self-discipline with a working dog, which is often easier said than done and certainly easier done with a dog who is not yours.

Wait vs Stay Using a Back Stall with An Over-Aroused Dog | Pt 3

Session 3 with Motown shows a significant reduction of arousal and a marked increase in Drive. Drive is energy and action applied towards work. Building off of Session 1 and Session 2, we’re moving forward with an increased level of criteria for the target behaviors and are adding Attention, or unsolicited eye contact to the mix to add some additional structure for further reduction of arousal and increased Drive.

2 Simple Steps for Superior Shaping

Many dogs get very high when working for cookies and clicks. Some go over threshold when working. I think this is fairly common for clicker trainers. It’s part of the reason that some seemingly simple behaviors can take months to create and is responsible for much of the frustration that positive trainers experience.

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