Teaching a Fish

What is a Fish

A FishA Fish is a leaping catch that ends with the dog passing the disc back to the handler before landing back on the ground. The basic idea is catch and release, Fishing is easily accomplished from most any Gainer Flip and many other freestyle moves that take place on or around the handler. .... More is a move where the handler tosses a disc to a flying dog and removes from the dog’s mouth before he hits the ground. It’s a great skill for routine building and creating and maintaining FlowFlow is a key component of the modern day disc dog game. Keeping your dog moving with seamless, ever moving and flowing sequences with little to no set up time is the goal for many disc doggers. Moving smoothly between tricks and sequences establishes flow. Doing that creatively and in unique fashion makes for great flow.... More. Another way to think of the Fish is a “Flying Give”.

This skill can be used all over the place to improve disc management and to help build dynamic, flowing sequences with less discs than tricks. Some variations include: Behind the Back Fish (Hat Tip to Todd Duncan & Levi), a Flying Retrieve, and a Reverse VaultA Reverse Vault is a vault in which the dog flips off the handler’s body. The Reverse Vault, aka Rebound, can be done off of any part of the body, and the part of the body that the vault happens from usually is reflected in the name: Reverse Leg Vault, Reverse Chest Vault, Reverse Back Vault. Leg Rebound, Chest Rebound,... More Fish.

This skill can be seen used extensively in Kimo Kai’s Flying Circus and in a bunch of Rokalele Videos.

Getting Started

Take a look at how the dog flips. On almost all flips, he is going to be relatively close to the handler. The exception is a large back flip – where the dog really travels away from the handler. Gainer flips are great for working a Fish.

The Fish is quite similar to a flipping dog catch except that instead of grabbing and catching a dog, you’ll be grabbing and catching a disc that has a dog attached.

It’s Easy!

People are often freaked out by the technical aspects of the Fish. “Oh, I could never do that!”

Watch the video, it really isn’t that hard. The disc is moving relatively slow due to the dog turning over during the flip and it’s most often right there in front of your face. It’s moving pretty slow too. You can do it!

Go Classical | Make Grab = Roller

In the video, the next disc, the RollerThe Roller is a great throw for reinforcing a dog with a disc. Instead of flying through the air like a wing, the Roller rolls on the ground like a wheel; a fast, bouncy, super exciting wheel. Dogs really like Rollers as reinforcement. Rollers  make great cookies. Rollers are also great teaching tools for the catch. They stand up and... More, is being thrown before the dog releases the disc. By pairing the hand touching the disc (or resistance on the disc) with the opportunity of the Roller it is possible to reinforce the drop. This is classical conditioning and is super powerful stuff. When the dog believes that sharing the disc means a Roller or Bite will happen right in their face, a Drop is kind of a no brainer.

Apryl demonstrates an additional layer of splitting of the criteria with Kiva by not even grabbing the disc, she’s pairing the catch with the Roller – classically conditioning Kiva to expect another disc after a catch. We can see that initially, Kiva is not so hot on the roller, but this frees up rather quickly and he’s killing that roller in just a few reps. Now Apryl can successfully integrate the grabbing of the disc to the skill.

This is not necessary with all dogs but probably should be mentioned. For most dogs and handlers, grabbing the disc and firing out the roller will work just fine.

When the dog is giving the disc up reliably, go on and Get Consequent.

Get Consequent | Drop Makes Roller Happen

Once the dog believes that Hand on the Disc = Roller and is readily leaving the disc in hand to chase the Roller, make the offered Drop of the first disc, a requirement for the roller to happen.

Once your hand on the disc, do nothing. Be as slack and as lame as possible. When the dog drops, fire out your roller. If the dog doesn’t drop during the pause? There is not enough paired value — back up and Go Classical.

At this time the dog is learning that the Drop makes the roller happen. Don’t cue it yet. Don’t add the cue until the dog is using the drop to make the next disc happen and the Fish is 100% successful.

Drop the Cue | Use a Paired Prompt Switch

Once the behavior is 100% and the dog knows that the teeth off or GiveThe Give is a retrieve to the hand. A cued Give is a foundational skill that is not super useful in the actual performance of disc dog freestyle, and has huge applications for training and skills development . A Give is distinctly different from a Drop because of the localized nature of the skill. Give only happens in the hand,... More makes the roller happen, go ahead and add the cue.

It is likely that when adding the cue the dog will balk on the release of the first disc. Don’t sweat it. Just hang out a moment, let that roller continue to run away from him. He’ll drop it.

Be proactive and go back through the learning process inserting the verbal cue. Go Classical to be safe and use a simple Prompt Switch (New Cue followed by Old Cue). About 1 second before putting the hand on the disc (that’s the Old Cue), give the New Cue (mine is Fish!). Go Classical and pair the roller with the hand touching the disc to ensure success. Once that’s reliable, then Get Consequent.

Dropping the cue this way allows you to get 100% compliance with the Fish from the very beginning.


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